Windsor, CA
August 4, 2026

Ufology Update: UAP Gerb vs. DJ Liszt Regarding The Indispensability of David Grusch!

by Rich Scheck

Near the end of his recent bombshell interview with Ross Coulthart, UAP Gerb waxed poetic about the virtues and indispensability of David Grusch towards achieving penetration of the Legacy Program.
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/1v9fwg0/new_uap_gerb_interview_with
_ross_coulthart_he/

In contrast, DJ Liszt has for years stated that Grusch is “controlled” by Chris Mellon. His source for that assertion is Grusch himself who DJ says revealed that to him in a phone call several years ago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_bA12R00wM

(Please keep in mind that Chris comes from the wealthy Mellon family with ties to the VERY Deep State which benefits directly from this kind of secrecy and that Tim Mellon reportedly contributed hundreds of millions to
Trump’s campaigns.)

To the extent Liszt is telling the truth, something he has been known for as an independent “Dark Journalist” for the last decade, this difference in perspective creates yet another level of tension within the already divided UFO Research Community.

Is Gerb merely naive in trusting Grusch so deeply? Is he somehow part of the elaborate psy-op surrounding the entire UFO conversation? Is Liszt lying about that phone call and if so, why?

Regarding Grusch, he has much going for him including his apparent sincerity and depth of knowledge. But like everyone else in the UFO conversation, there are things that hinder his credibility that go beyond whatever vulnerability his personal mental health issues created for him within the intel community.

I’m specifically referring to his June 10th comments about “Trump having the keys to Disclosure” (paraphrasing).  That may indeed be true but for lots of reasons, I don’t trust the President or his top aide, Stephen Miller, whom Grusch named as on board for transparency: https://stateofthenation.info/?p=72887

And as this Vetted video explains, there is the clear possibility that David is merely another Mirage Man:
https://www.vetted.show/episodes/the-biggest-ufo-bombshell-no-one-is-talking-about
Gerb’s in depth interview with Ross went far towards explaining how the elaborate system of secrecy and over-classification going back to the Truman/Eisenhower Era is responsible for blocking Disclosure as well as “legitimizing” the process that prevents any current president from learning about Special Access Programs on the grounds they lack “a need to know!”

That led me to go even further than Coulthart in challenging the dubious constitutional basis for such a bold interpretation of previous PEAS and other restrictive regulations used to stop incumbents.
https://stateofthenation.info/?p=74802

Gerb’s suggestion of a RICO style criminal investigation in the spirit of Danny Sheehan sounds great. But at this late stage of the deep crisis we are in, it seems highly unrealistic to this observer that such a process could even begin much less produce real results.

Nor do I have much confidence that Steven Greer’s “60 Day Ultimatum” will be any more effective in revealing what the government is doing: https://stateofthenation.info/?p=69686

Unfortunately, for those of us interested in ending The UFO Truth Embargo, Coulthart’s pessimistic overview is much more likely to be the pattern going forward despite all the so-called breakthroughs by Congress, the alt media and the dedicated work of the UFO Research Community.

He is not alone in that prediction which includes similar remarks by George Knapp, perhaps the leading UFO reporter in the country.

I applaud the determination of these truth crusaders even though I have previously been critical of their failure to raise certain issues I believe are crucial to a full understanding of the dynamics involved. https://stateofthenation.info/?p=72887

My impatience comes from decades of research into the Machiavellian machinations of the VERY Deep State across a broad spectrum of false official narratives. https://exonews.org/ufos-unending-false-official-narratives/

I apologize to all who have felt the sting of my words, especially to the extent they are free of participation in any disinformation campaigns acting as Mirage Men.

My deepest wish is for Truth to prevail and that a more positive future for Humanity unfolds in the years ahead:
https://stateofthenation.co/?p=178654
https://stateofthenation.info/?p=74814