{"id":84707,"date":"2026-10-23T09:06:47","date_gmt":"2026-10-23T13:06:47","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/?p=84707"},"modified":"2026-10-23T09:06:47","modified_gmt":"2026-10-23T13:06:47","slug":"we-should-not-have-done-it","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/?p=84707","title":{"rendered":"<h1>&#8220;We Should Not Have Done It&#8221;<\/h1>"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2>&#8220;We Should Not Have Done It&#8221;: Thiel Breaks With Trump Over Iran War, Warns America May Not &#8220;Have The Hard Power&#8221;<\/h2>\n<p><!--more-->ZeroHedge.com<\/p>\n<p>One day after we reported that Donald Trump Jr. has <a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/political\/donald-trump-jr-privately-breaks-his-father-foreign-policy-report\">privately broken<\/a> with his father over the Iran war, <strong>Peter Thiel,<\/strong> the PayPal and Palantir (PLTR) co-founder who was the first big tech investor to back Trump in 2016 and the biggest funder of super PACs behind JD Vance&#8217;s 2022 Senate run<strong>, has also drawn a line in the sand over Trump&#8217;s defining foreign-policy gamble.<\/strong><\/p>\n<figure class=\"caption caption-img\" role=\"group\"><a href=\"https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg\" data-image-external-href=\"\" data-image-href=\"https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg\" data-link-option=\"0\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"NodeBody_image__QqkYz\" src=\"https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=1920,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 768px) 100vw, 1000px\" srcset=\"https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=640,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 640w, https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=750,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 750w, https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=828,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 828w, https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=1080,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 1080w, https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=1200,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 1200w, https:\/\/files.zhedge.com\/cdn-cgi\/image\/width=1920,quality=75,format=auto\/https:\/\/assets.zerohedge.com\/s3fs-public\/inline-images\/-1x-1_webp%282%29.jpg 1920w\" alt=\"\" width=\"1000\" height=\"563\" data-nimg=\"1\" \/><\/a><figcaption><em>Photographer: David Paul Morris\/Bloomberg<\/em><\/figcaption><\/figure>\n<p>In audio from an Oct. 12 private lecture in Nashville obtained by <a href=\"https:\/\/www.politico.com\/news\/2026\/10\/21\/peter-thiel-trump-iran-war-01131284\">Decoded by POLITICO<\/a> (Calder McHugh), Thiel told the room:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I&#8217;m skeptical of [the war], <strong>I think we should not have done it.<\/strong> There were a lot of mistakes that were made.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Maybe we don&#8217;t have the hard power. Maybe we&#8217;re going to lose the soft power war.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>In other words, <strong><em>one of the architects of the MAGA-tech alliance now thinks the war was a mistake and that America may not be strong enough to finish it.<\/em><\/strong> The scoop crossed overnight:<\/p>\n<div class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\"><iframe id=\"twitter-widget-0\" class=\"\" title=\"X Post\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/embed\/Tweet.html?dnt=false&amp;embedId=twitter-widget-0&amp;features=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%3D%3D&amp;frame=false&amp;hideCard=false&amp;hideThread=false&amp;id=2113227616643698967&amp;lang=en&amp;origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fwe-should-not-have-done-it-peter-thiel-breaks-trump-over-iran-war-warns-america-may-not&amp;sessionId=834d20f438f3fd8d916e35a514abcf90d1568ec6&amp;siteScreenName=zerohedge&amp;theme=light&amp;widgetsVersion=6a3ad42b224df%3A1778106238597&amp;width=550px\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-tweet-id=\"2113227616643698967\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<div class=\"twitter-tweet twitter-tweet-rendered\"><iframe id=\"twitter-widget-1\" class=\"\" title=\"X Post\" src=\"https:\/\/platform.twitter.com\/embed\/Tweet.html?dnt=false&amp;embedId=twitter-widget-1&amp;features=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%3D%3D&amp;frame=false&amp;hideCard=false&amp;hideThread=false&amp;id=2113060134427431204&amp;lang=en&amp;origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.zerohedge.com%2Fpolitical%2Fwe-should-not-have-done-it-peter-thiel-breaks-trump-over-iran-war-warns-america-may-not&amp;sessionId=834d20f438f3fd8d916e35a514abcf90d1568ec6&amp;siteScreenName=zerohedge&amp;theme=light&amp;widgetsVersion=6a3ad42b224df%3A1778106238597&amp;width=550px\" frameborder=\"0\" scrolling=\"no\" allowfullscreen=\"allowfullscreen\" data-tweet-id=\"2113060134427431204\" data-mce-fragment=\"1\"><\/iframe><\/div>\n<p>Below we walk through what Thiel said, the even stranger parts of the lecture, and why <strong><em>it lands at exactly the wrong moment for the White House.<\/em><\/strong><\/p>\n<h2>&#8220;The Sword Of Damocles&#8221;<\/h2>\n<p>Per Politico, Thiel spent much of the lecture on what he called the unchecked power of the International Criminal Court, drawing on Rumsfeld and Cheney, and then said this:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>&#8220;I read the Cheney family&#8217;s Trump derangement syndrome as an attempt to buy favor with the [International Criminal Court] and avoid prosecution. Probably too late&#8230; And <strong>I have come to suspect that the threat of an ICC arrest warrant is the sword of Damocles hanging over the Trump administration<\/strong> as it tries to persecute this war in Iran.&#8221;<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>(&#8220;Persecute&#8221; is the word in Politico&#8217;s transcript. We assume he meant &#8220;prosecute,&#8221; though at this point in the war, who knows.) Translation: <em>the president&#8217;s most cerebral backer is publicly speculating that Trump officials face war-crimes exposure.<\/em> Very reassuring.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Thiel also recounted a meeting with Benjamin Netanyahu in early 2024<\/strong>, after Oct. 7, in which he asked about Israel&#8217;s plans for Gaza. According to Thiel, Netanyahu replied: <strong>&#8220;I can&#8217;t just Dresdenize it,&#8221;<\/strong> a reference to the Allied firebombing that killed roughly 25,000 people.<\/p>\n<h2>Still On Team Trump (Sort Of)<\/h2>\n<p><strong>To be fair, Thiel didn&#8217;t defect<\/strong>. Politico says he &#8220;highlighted his continued support of Trump and suggested he wanted to protect the president,&#8221; <strong>and framed his critique as opposition to neoconservatives and Middle East wars rather than to Trump personally<\/strong>. That&#8217;s the Vance-wing argument, and Politico reported back in March that Vance himself was &#8220;skeptical&#8221; of striking Iran before the war began. Neither Thiel&#8217;s representatives nor the White House responded to Politico. Put differently, <strong>this is the restrainer wing of the coalition saying in private what it can&#8217;t say from the podium<\/strong>, and the audio got out 12 days before the Nov. 3 midterms.<\/p>\n<p>____<br \/>\n<a href=\"https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/political\/we-should-not-have-done-it-peter-thiel-breaks-trump-over-iran-war-warns-america-may-not\">https:\/\/www.zerohedge.com\/political\/we-should-not-have-done-it-peter-thiel-breaks-trump-over-iran-war-warns-america-may-not<\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&#8220;We Should Not Have Done It&#8221;: Thiel Breaks With Trump Over Iran War, Warns America May Not &#8220;Have The Hard Power&#8221;<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":1,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[],"class_list":["post-84707","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/84707","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/users\/1"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcomments&post=84707"}],"version-history":[{"count":1,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/84707\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":84708,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=\/wp\/v2\/posts\/84707\/revisions\/84708"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fmedia&parent=84707"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Fcategories&post=84707"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/stateofthenation.info\/index.php?rest_route=%2Fwp%2Fv2%2Ftags&post=84707"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}